Interview with Estulin (Part 3) - The Beatles, Adorno, Darfur and the endgame

The final part of the interview with author Daniel Estulin.

Lishman - In your book you say that Theodore Adorno helped create some of the Beatles' songs as part of a social engineering program. Won't that be a bit hard for a lot of people to swallow?

Estulin - [It wasn't just Adorno], there was a lot of help from a lot of very intelligent people to get that done. And if you listen to the Beatles' music, suddenly with Sergeant Pepper there is this tremendous increase in quality. There was just primate crap before that. And suddenly there’s this jump, because of all the people they had working with the Beatles on their songs. There’s a lot of proof of that [they were given a lot of help]. Like Lennon said in his 1975 interview, one minute we were playing whore houses and the next thing you know we were shaking hands with the Queen.

Lishman - But still, it's very hard to believe...

Estulin - People choose to believe what they’re told, because if you believe that there's a man behind the curtain doing all these things, then your entire world just folds up on itself and you realise you have been living a goddam lie all your life. I have actually seen documents written by Adorno to the executive director of EMI,which aside from selling CDs and vinyl, is an important member of the British armament industry. [In the letter] they were discussing this whole thing called the parental shift in society. When I saw that I said to myself 'Jesus Christ'. 'How do you change the future? By indoctrinating the kids into doing what you want them to do.' Because if you start with [adults], you're going to have a hard time doing it because they more or less know what they are, who they are, what they want. But if you start with kids, you can change the future of the entire planet, and that is exactly what they’ve done.


Lishman - Tell me about the new book, Los Señores de las Sombras (Men in the Shadows)?

Estulin - I got the idea for this book a long time before I got to writing the Bilderberg Group. I was seeing all this stuff going on around the world and I thought to myself, you know this is
crazy. I could see a pattern. I could see wars, terrorism, drugs, money laundering, all that stuff. You see there’s a pattern, and I just couldn't find its common thread. When I finally did find it, I said to myself "fuck, it’s about oil." Oil is the endgame. What I do in the book is draw you a map of the entire world and then I pink anywhere in the world where there are natural resources, be it oil, gold or whatever. So on top of that, we superimpose the wars and the armed conflict and they match 100%. The world is running out of natural resources and oil is the most important essential natural resource. There’s no substitute for oil. The world economy needs almost
90 million barrels of oil a day. A friend said Brazil has been using ethanol for the last 30 years. It’s true, and Fiji can probably live on that as well, but you can only do that if you live in a donkey-run economy. But the world’s armed forces don’t run on ethanol. They need oil. And if you want to know just how little oil is left: we have about 20 years worth of oil and in the next couple of years this thing is going to go up to $140 dollars a barrel and social scientists have basically determined that at $150 the entire civilisation collapses onto itself. So you’re seeing people fighting for every last available drop of oil reserves.

Lishman – So the battle for oil is on?

Estulin - Just before the summer I went to Sudan. I hired a bunch of mercenaries from there, and armaments–I know how to use every hand gun in the world. Armed to the teeth, we went to
Darfur, to the place that nobody in his right fucking mind would go into. We went there for a period of two weeks to see what the hell was going on. Seriously, Darfur is the epicentre of the entire universe, because it is the only place in the world where there’s still something of oil left to be discovered, which could actually take us another 10 years or so. You have the Americans there, you have the Russians there, the Germans, the Israelis, the British, the Chinese, all of the secret services agencies, Haliburton was there, BP, Shell, Texaco… You know the Russians were there and all of them are trying to kill each other. You no longer have these longlasting partnerships, you know, the British and the Americans. Aside from temporary alliances of convenience, now they are all fighting each other.The Americans are fighting the French, the French are fighting the British, the British the Isrealis, the Russians are fighting against the Chinese, they are all trying to sabotage each others’ operations. You have Blackwater firing on the Chinese soldiers who are stationed in Darfur, Sudan, protecting the oil installations. It’s
absolutely insane.

Lishman – What are your predictions for 2008?

Estulin - Oil is going to keep going up. The dollar is going to keep going down, alas, for one very simple reason: it’s called demand destruction. I saw this phrase about 10 years ago in a
Bilderberger report, and then in the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations) and the Trilateral Commission report and a Club of Rome report. You destroy demand by destroying the
world economy. Of course, if you have no oil. You don’t want the dirty great unwashed buying things, selling things, travelling…You need to destroy the world economy making sure
that people get to be poor. Poor people don’t spend money, because to spend money you need to make things. You make things with energy. So we're looking at the wholesale destruction
of the American economy. More people are going to get to be poor. More millions are going to lose whatever (money) they have. You see that whole domino effect all over the world. Money being taken out of people’s hands. But the Rockefellers are not going to lose anything.

Lishman – What can people do?

Estulin - Well, first of all and last of all, get the fuck out of debt now. Get rid of any debt you have because they are creating an indentured society. Whereas in Victorian England, if you actually owe money to someone, it’s the corporations who will decide how you are going to pay it back, where you are going to live while you are doing this. They’re going to track you and they’re going to follow you, and until you pay every last cent back. You’re not going anywhere. Get out of debt. If you have money, convert it to gold. Physical money is worthless, because by destroying the economy and devaluing the currency, that money becomes worthless. When you actually get gold make sure you get physical gold,because paper gold is five times more (vulnerable) than physical gold, so make sure you have it delivered and you hide it in your sock, or in your bank or somewhere where you can have easy access to it. And if you people are going to buy things, buy land, because wealthy people throughout history have always had everything in land and natural resources. They don’t buy apartment buildings in the middle of a god-damn city, because whatever happens, you can always eat off the land.

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